VR Cinglé du Mont Ventoux

During the Covid-19 UK lockdown I’ve been catching up on writing up some of those rides that I’ve had in draft for a while, and I recently published the 2016 ride I did up Mont Ventoux – the Cinglé du Mont Ventoux. So it was co-incidence when 3 days after I write up that ride, I see a post from the Cinglés club on Strava, proposing the challenge of the Cinglés in Virtual Reality.

Being someone who is quite used to spending time on the turbo trainer (and enjoying it) this was something I was for sure going to have a dig at, and this being a French challenge, there would be some application to understand.

So, reading the post I had to register for the challenge on the club website inscriptions page – just like you have to when applying in real life, then I could get on with the challenge at any time. Tech wise though the challenge had to be attempted on a training platform called Rouvy and being a Zwifter, I had never bothered with it before so I had to get that sorted first.

Over to the internet search – So, Rouvy is an indoor cycling app which combines GPS videos with animated 3D cyclists to ‘recreate’ the outdoor environment, and I needed to register with Rouvy and bang in all my details; personal info, weights powers etc. Then I had to download the Rouvy AR App onto the iPad, this is what would be controlling the load on my smart trainer during the attempt, and this would also provide the visuals I’d be looking at.

The GPS videos/Augmented Reality (AR) is only available on a handful of the routes that Rouvy holds, the rest of the routes are formatted so that the rider is represented as a moving pin which follows a 3d mapped road of the selected route. The mapped road has a gradient of colours along it indicating the steepness of the ascent.

Now that I had a Rouvy account set up I could access all of the premium features for a 2 week trial period, this meant I could access the augmented reality routes as well as their standard routes – I’d need both kinds for the challenge as the Club had mandated specifically which routes you had to undertake on Rouvy to ride the challenge.

  • Mt. Ventoux (from Bedoin) 17 km in AR mode (augmented reality)
  • Mont-Ventoux from Malaucene 21 km
  • ventoux: Sault – Mont Ventoux 26 km

A bit more set up was needed to ensure proof of the ride completions. The rides had to appear on Strava, and after much searching I found how to link my new Rouvy account to my Strava account. There is a heading called ‘Cloud’ in Settings and this is where you can make those connections.

How to locate the platform linkages in Rouvy

Now that was done it was time for a test run. I chose to ride around a short course to check the feel and the upload stability. Japan seemed like a nice choice – seeing as I love the place and had already I found a National Champs TT course. I gave it a go and everything seemed to work OK with the linkage into Strava too.

Rouvy ride summary page

1st VR Ascent from Bedoin

Prep work done, and application submitted it was time to crack on with the attempt. I started pretty early in the morning at 07:20, knowing that I’d be in for around 6-7hrs of riding with some short breaks in between summit ascents. Typically, I’ll listen to music on the turbo trainer, but this time I’d gone to the BBC Sounds App and found a great interview with Richard Hawley, so I listened happily to that whilst ascending from Bedoin and watching the augmented reality play out on my screen.

Visually, it was surprisingly engaging to ride along with, there are other cyclists along the route, who were in shot when the GPS video was taken, and I even saw two people on the video who had clearly had enough around 10Km, and were walking their bikes up the mountain! Back in the virtual world, I was on my own for quite a while, but then as people came online a few others joined behind me on the climb. 1h 45 mins after starting from Bedoin, the first summit was gained, everything felt pretty OK.

Augmented Reality on the bald mountain
1st Climb Summary

In terms of user experience, delivery of load changes were pretty drastic, there was no smoothing at all, an increase in gradient even if relatively small felt like a step change in load, and if you weren’t anticipating it, you could quite easily bog down until you’d been able to get on top of the power increase. The user interface is no where near as intuitive as Zwift and it all just feels a bit clunkier – that said, 1 down 2 to go.

2nd VR Ascent from Malaucene

Starting at 09:30, after a short coffee break I was wondering if this ascent would be anything like the real life one. Well, it wasn’t that far off to be honest, it was a drag in real life and also a drag in the virtual world. It was made a lot worse by not being an augmented reality route, all I had to follow was my pin along the road. It was ‘ok’ but it was nowhere near as interactive as Zwift and I was reaching for some further entertainment from Netflix to keep my mind occupied. As for my legs, the middle section of orange and red gradient provided some hurt opportunities and by the summit, after 2 hours of up I was feeling it in the legs for sure.

Near the summit from the Malaucene side.
2nd Climb Summary

3rd VR Ascent from Sault

A slightly longer break in-between ascents this time with just under an hour off the bike, I was riding again at 12:20. Again it wasn’t an augmented reality route, so ahead of me was another 2 hours of watching my named pin make its way slowly along the mapped road. I real life, I remember this climb being a pleasant one, with a pretty gentle gradient through lavendar fields and dappled wooded roads, and this was somewhat the case with the early gradient matching my recall of real life to begin with, but there were some very steep sections in this virtual climb that did not particularly match my memory. Maybe the mind prefers to recall the nice parts?

By the first sections of red just under half way through, I was pedalling squares. My cadence was dropping to 60rpm and below on these sections and I was standing up on the trainer just to grind through them. The drastic load demand changes going from a yellow to a red portion of road where really challenging, if I wasn’t paying attention and anticipating the change in gradient then the load change would just take my cadence down to barely nothing, then you had to really fight to increase the cadence and get your power up to match the trainer demand.

I was definitely looking forward to the summit, my legs were hurting every turn of the pedal and I could feel my knees being heavily loaded up with my lower cadence being all that I could manage. Finally after 1h 55 mins the 3rd summit was gained and I could stop pedalling. My legs were caned, and my arms were aching after having to spend a lot of the last climb out of the saddle.

Near the summit from Sault side

Now to finish and upload the ride to Rouvy, which I had linked to my Strava account so I would have the necessary electronic proof that I had ridden the 3 summits. I had already seen the first 2 summits come through on my Strava feed shortly after finishing the ascents, but this 3rd ride was not uploading. FFS.

The dreaded stuck page ‘upload in progress’

I moved out of the garage and into the house to ensure a strong wifi signal, I searched the internet numerous times for ‘how to recover a ride from Rouvy‘ and I waited patiently for over an hour for the activities page in the Rouvy App to complete its upload of the ride. No luck with anything. I had transitioned through being pissed off about it, and was resigned to getting back on the bike to ride the 3rd ascent again.

I was still in my cycling kit and was preparing to head back out to the garage when I thought I’d just quit the Rouvy App and start it up again. I hadn’t wanted to do this earlier as I was fearful of losing the ride data, but upon re-starting the App, within 30 seconds the last ride was uploaded and my phone pinged to notify me that I had completed a new activity on Strava! A great relief was felt that I now had the required electronic proof, and that I didn’t have to do that last climb again.

3rd Climb Summary

Officiating Stuff

  • Registered for the ride on the Cinglés Club website on the 30th April.
  • Candidate number 21727.
  • Date of ride was the 2nd of May.
  • Emailed electronic proof to the club on the 5th of May.
  • Brevet card Received in the post 12th May.
  • Brevet card populated and sent back to the club 16th May.
  • Validated Brevet Card, medal and certificate received mid June.
Validated Brevet Card and Medal

11 Comments

  1. Hi Andy!
    I just read your article on the VR Cingle du Ventoux and the actual ne that you did in 2016. I have just started on Rouvy myself and am just loving the accuracy of those climbs. I was also in France at Ventoux about the time that you were there. A buddy and I did all 3 climbs on different days and have always wondered about the cingle…. could we do it? I have sent emails to the club and inquired about a VR version and after a few days have not heard back from them. It will obviously be a while before I can make the long trek from western Canada to try it, but seeing your post has excited me about even attempting the feat VR. As I have not heard back from them, I was hoping that perhaps you could enlighten me on what needs to be done or if that was a one off event? I have not signed up for anything so am unsure if there is an option as you go through the process but I did set up an account. Would be great if you could help me out with this and I would much appreciate it! Thanks in advance!
    Cheers!
    Rick
    PS The adventurous start by your mate with the incompatable brake blocks reminded me of the seatpost issue that I had in Itally starting the Stelvio. Old bike, uncommon parts and no Italiano! Managed to get it fixed and went up just the same in the end!

    1. Hello Rick,

      Thanks for getting in touch. Yes, you and your friend can certainly do the Cinglé. It is a mindset thing in the first case, and then physically you can pace yourself appropriately for all 3, and ensure you have suitable gearing (minimum 30 tooth on the rear in my view). My attempt showed that even with a lot of hanging around with mechanicals we could get it done.

      The club has a new website recently, and I understand they are integrating data from the previous site onto it, but if you have set up an account that is the first thing to do.

      As for attempting a VR Cinglé on Rouvy, I think you could do that now. Here is what I suggest;

      1. Log into your account.
      2. Register for the Cinglé challenge on the new website.
      3. You will get an email with your inscription details on it.
      4. Forward that email to Florence Girard (inscriptions@clubcinglesventoux.org) and let her know that you would like to undertake the VR Cinglé. She will then get back to you with the latest info on that.
      5. You must then do the 3 rides on Rouvy, please refer back to my blog post for the routes and for the Strava/Rouvy linkage.
      6. You will receive a carnet (brevet card) in the post and you will use this to write your times up the mountain.
      7. You will need to send your completed card back to Pierre Pic’s address in France (details will be on the carnet).
      8. You will also have to email Strava proof of your 3 ascents to Pierre (approvals@clubcinglesventoux.org). For this I sent Pierre the 3 links to the rides I did on Rouvy.
      9. Sometime later you will receive your homologated carnet and medal badge.

      Hope that helps.

      As for brake blocks and seat posts, these things can often provide separate challenges within the already physical challenge, and they make for good memories really. I also had a nightmare with a seat post before an alpine ride, see https://diagonaliste.com/grenoble/

      Cheers, Andy.

      1. Hi again Andy!

        Thanks for the response. I will indeed just go through the process that you have outlined and give it a whirl. I did a two pass yesterday and am feeling it today for sure. Malaucene and Sault along with the return to Sault was on the docket. A couple more weeks and I thing that I will be ready for the challenge, The post thing will take some time from France to Canada etc. but no worries there.
        I hope that things are not too bad in you area of the UK and that there has been at least some joy over the season. Yet another “challenge for all of us to get through!
        Best of the New year to you!

        Cheers!

        Rick

        I will check out your Grenoble link later!

    1. Yes Andy I did see that in my search but still do not see any mention on the link of the VR option. Will go for it anyway!

      Cheers!

      Rick

  2. Nice one Rick, make sure you are rested before you give all 3 a go in one day. Let me know how you get on, or let me know your Strava profile and I can see how you are getting on.

    Covid wise, the UK has been hit hard. We don’t have the public compliance of Asian countries and the government has had to change allowances in what seems like weekly timeframes. All we can do is comply with the current restrictions and then hope improvements are not far off. Hope you are all ok too.

    Cheers, Andy.

    1. True That!
      Perhaps if the leaders would just lead by example everywhere, then perhaps we would all be be in less of a mess. We have much the same problem here especially in the city settings, but NOT like it is to the the south in the US. One of the great advanatges of living in the “bush” so to speak.
      Strava profile is under Rick Smith Creston, British Columbia Canada. The one with the avatar of me with the bike over my head after conquering Tourmalet for the first time!

      Happy New Year!

      Rick

  3. Well Andy I sent another email to Pierre and Florence and then went ahead and registered anyway. Earliest I can have the documents here is the 26th of March and I am planning on an April 02 attempt (I have some time off work then). I then sent another email just confirming to them that this will be a virtual attempt using the Rouvy app on a smart trainer so now I guess it is hurry up and wait! Have requested to join the Cingle group on Strava, but I am not sure if one has to have already completed the challenge and or whether it has to be done live to be a part of it. Will see what happens over the next little while.

    Cheers!

    1. Hi Rick,

      Hope you hear back soon from the club regarding your attempt. As for the Strava Club, you need to have completed a Cinglé and have your homologation number in your Strava profile to be accepted.

      Best of Luck Rick.

      1. Top of the morning Andy! (well afternoon for you!) I have indeed heard back from Florence who sent me instructions to register on the site and let her know that it will be the VR version. I have sent another note confirming that I have already done so, complete with screen shots of my account page and order number. I explained that the website has advised that the paperwork will not be here til March 26 at the earliest and have asked her to look into that and ensure that it is on file. So it is looking better to actually be able to get this done.
        A little twist in the rules this year I was told as well. It looks like the 3 Rouvy rides that you did (all the ascents) are not what they want now…… Now they want the entire single ride starting in Bedouin – summit- descent to Malauecene- summit- descent to Sault- summit and then descend back to Bedouin. 136 km 4518M. It will add to the difficulty to be sure. The descending is obviously no big challenge, but the extra time in the saddle will add a new dimension…… really, as it should. You who have done this in person have had to be in the saddle for the up and downs, so why not the VR crew as well! I will keep you abreast of the happenings as they develop for me and appreciate you guidance through all of this. It was afterall finding your blog that put me onto this version of the craziness! Stay well and safe.
        Cheers!

        Rick

        PS. I thought as much about the Strava thing but thought that it was another angle to try if I had not heard back from Florence. All good will try after the deed is done!
        R

  4. Hi Rick, I’m glad you heard back from the club and that you are ready to go with the challenge. You’ll be fine.

    I may have to consider a 3rd attempt with the descents…? I’m glad you’ve found my blog post helpful.

    Cheers Rick.

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